Heiner and Laurie interview ecological design expert Katy Langstaff about how we can design and build structures that not only support the environment, but directly benefit human health as well. Katy is a former student of architect and theorist Christopher Alexander (A Pattern Language, The Timeless Way of Building, The Nature of Order), and works with her husband Stuart Cowan to provide ecological design, development, financial, and management services for innovative and sustainable building projects worldwide. Join us to hear how you we can build (whether a bed, house, or business) in a way that creates meaning and harmony in our lives.